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Published Sunday, November 23, 2008 6:05 AM

Adviser 'ashamed' of fliers

Saying he was "ashamed beyond words," a faculty adviser to the A&M chapter of the Young Conservatives of Texas recently resigned after the group posted fliers targeting four professors who signed a petition supporting a former leader of a Vietnam-era radical group.

"At the outset, I told the YCTs that they needed to stand for all of the things that were good about conservatism, and to reject the bad," said John Fike in an e-mail to the faculty members. "I also told them that if I was ever ashamed of them, that was it for me. I am now ashamed beyond words."

Fike on Friday confirmed his resignation, saying he told the group Thursday.

The Young Conservatives -- which has about 60 to 70 dues-paying members at the university that boasts 46,000-plus students -- posted fliers around campus criticizing the instructors for signing an online petition supporting Bill Ayers, a former Weather Underground leader. Ayers had come under scrutiny during the fall campaign when Republican presidential candidate John McCain attacked President-elect Barack Obama for associating with Ayers.

Tony Listi, chairman of the Young Conservatives, said group members were going to break off the relationship with Fike -- who advised them for three years -- even if he had not resigned.

"There was a fundamental lack of trust and communication," Listi said, adding that Fike is not a Republican and had a "Barack Obama for President" sign outside his house. The adviser also spoke to media without the students' prior knowledge, Listi said.

Fike declined to comment on Listi's complaints.

The group is looking for a new adviser and expects to have one by next week, Listi said.

The four faculty members named by the group are Patrick Slattery, a professor and Regents Scholar in the College of Education; Kimberly Brown, an English professor; Marian Eide, who also teaches English; and Kathryn McKenzie, an educational administration professor. Brown and McKenzie declined comment; Eide and Slattery could not be reached.

The petition -- which opposed the "demonization" of Ayers and asked for support for education "as an enterprise devoted to human inquiry, enlightenment and liberation" -- has more than 4,000 signatures nationally and circulated prior to the election, when Ayers was a figure in the national news stories.

The flier states that Ayers, now a prominent educator at the University of Illinois at Chicago, was a leader of the Weather Underground who participated in bombings in New York and Washington in the 1970s. The flier also quotes Ayers as saying he doesn't regret setting bombs. It included photos of the four A&M professors, along with the words: "Would you support a man with these views?"

That was it for Fike, who is a professor in engineering technology and industrial engineering. He's also the director of the Center for Telecom Technology Management at A&M.

"When they started attacking my colleagues, I couldn't continue," Fike told The Eagle.

Fike, who had served as speaker of the Faculty Senate in 2006, said he didn't agree with everything the group leaders did in recent years but believed they deserved a voice, so he became an adviser to the Young Conservatives about seven months ago. Some actions by the organization made him proud, he said, including when it brought conservative speakers to campus. And, he said, he beamed with pride as he gazed at a sea of small American flags near the center of campus on a beautiful, sunny Sept. 11. The group had organized the display.

But he said there was another side to the organization that wasn't appealing -- an attention-hungry leadership that cared less about political conservatism and more about controversy, with no regard for the university's image, and no desire to seek their adviser's input, Fike said.

Earlier this semester, the group drew national television attention by staging an "Anti-Obama Carnival," where they tossed eggs at a poster of Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama. Community members and students criticized the event as immature and propagating the image of a university that isn't welcoming to minorities.

Listi said the fliers were meant to spark dialogue and help further the group's mission statement, which is to "promote conservatism on campus and to expose and oppose liberalism." As a part of that goal, Listi said, he recently posted a few dozen fliers featuring the four professors and included it on the group's Web site. He also posted the same information on the online networking site Facebook.

"We have questions for these professors, and we would like the A&M student body, former students and the surrounding community to ask these questions with us," the senior political science major said. "All these various people who have a stake in Texas A&M have a right to know what these professors believe."

Listi never met with the faculty members whose photos are on the fliers, but he sent an e-mail to them outlining his concerns, he said.

Many students and faculty, while acknowledging that the fliers are protected speech, said the Young Conservatives' recent actions propagate the image of an intolerant campus.

Mark Gold, student body president, said he wasn't aware of all the facts in the most recent incident but wanted to remind students of what the shield in the class ring stands for: protecting the university's reputation.

"There are times we don't do that well," he said, declining to elaborate further.

Days before the presidential election, The Battalion, which is the newspaper, said in an editorial response to the egg toss that A&M graduates carry "not only a tradition of excellence, but also a stigma of closed-mindedness that was only reinforced by the actions of YCT. Aggies should strive to erase this stigma, not reinforce it."

The university received "a handful" of complaints about the fliers, a spokeswoman said.

In response to the fliers, the university released a statement last week saying that the faculty members' own personal beliefs did not represent the university's stance.

"In solicitations of support such as this, in which university affiliations are collected, we advise faculty members to consider how this information will be used and portrayed before agreeing to participate," said university spokesman Jason Cook in the statement. "However, it is not our place to censor faculty who have a right to express their own personal viewpoints."

Listi said his group's actions don't harm the university's reputation. He said that the fliers and the university's response show a vibrant dialogue exists at A&M.

"These events demonstrate that Texas A&M is a university where people are free to express their political views, whatever they may be," Listi said.




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Posted by: On: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 3:07 PM

Comment Title: re: Capitalist
I feel that you keep changing the topic of your arguments, from the YCT’s exercising their first amendment rights (which is irrelevant here, since the government is not limiting their right to put posters or discussing the Ayers’ “issues” on their website – it is only people like me who raise the issue about YCT’s very poor taste and exceptionally limited thinking), Ayers being dangerous because he apparently did not repent, but would not if he had (although he did not participate in any such activities over 35 years), the interpretation of “we did not do enough,” to the accuracy of what YCT reported on the posters and website. Again, for the latter, nobody is claiming that the YCT is not telling the truth when they indicate who signed a petition that is open to public scrutiny (although the YCT still do not understand the purpose of behind this petition). As stated below, the main issue is the following statement taken directly from their website: “The A&M student body, former students, and Bryan-College Station community should be very concerned about A&M professors supporting a radical like Ayers.” What should we be very concerned about? Are they also terrorists (see my post below on this)? Are they ready to put bombs in order to support Ayers? Living in BCS, should I fear for my life? Since these four individuals are so much of a great concern, so much so that their names need to be put on posters, similar to the “Wanted Dead or Alive” posters commonly used in a distant past, should we go and arrest them? This is what it is all about: mischaracterizing people’s action. In the end, this is what many people are denouncing, including their former advisor.
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Posted by: Capitalist On: Thursday, November 27, 2008 10:18 PM

Comment Title: Re: Wrong Target
No my point is not that the professors (or others) who support Ayers are terrorist, my point is that it is their right to support whoever they want but they should not be offended if someone points out their endorsements. What difference does it make who pointed out that these four professors support Mr. Ayers? If the YCTs reported the facts (which apparently they did)then why are they considered the shameful ones. Now if the YCTs, or others who report information, are forging documents or making false and unsubtantiated claims, then they should not only be labeled shameful participants and intolernt, they should be disbanded. But the facts are they reported the facts. For the sake of argument what if a group, newspaper, or radio station had reported had listed the names of all the faculty at Texas A&M who did not support Ayers. Would this have even been giving a second thought? Would people be calling the group/paper/radio station names for accurately reporting this information? I seriously doubt it!
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Posted by: On: Thursday, November 27, 2008 9:06 PM

Comment Title: re: Capitalist
Your argument relies on the fact that because he has not officially regretted his actions that occurred more than 38 years, he should still be considered armed and dangerous, and ready to strike at any moment. In other words, he is still a terrorist and anyone who supports this person should be considered as such (this includes the four faculty members at A&M). I sincerely doubt that if he were to acknowledge such repentance, you would be okay with this and you would change your views about his person. Again, I would invite you to read from published documents about what he meant to say about statements, such as “we did not do enough.” No one is disputing the fact that the violence used by him or his group was a valid measure to make a political statement, which was never the point of this discussion (mine at least). The issue is related to the character of this person since these events occurred. He is not the first nor will he be the last person who has become a more productive and positive member of society despite a shady past, which is what the petition is about (based on what I read on the website). It can be easy to find such examples from all political spectrums, right or left. This reminds me of similar events that occurred in Canada interestingly enough around the same time. Between 1963 and 1971, the FLQ exploded more than 200 bombs which have resulted in five deaths (according to some reports), conducted armed robberies, kidnapped two politicians, killing one of them apparently after a mistake. As a matter of fact, the Weatherman (this is the original name – with “man” at the end) was small potato compared the actions of the FLQ, whose members were below 10 people. Over the years, all the members were eventually tried and most were convicted. Despite these despicable acts, some were repentant about their actions while others were not. Yet, some of these former members became actively involved in politics while others became journalists or well-known writers. As far as I know, I never heard people labeling them as terrorists say 20 or 25 years after the October Crisis in 1970, which was the peak of their terror campaign, and nobody had problems with well-known people or politicians being associated (either directly or loosely) with any of the former FLQ members. In the recent US electoral campaign and the issue raised by the YCT last week, this is what it is all about.
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Posted by: Capitalist On: Thursday, November 27, 2008 2:39 PM

Comment Title: Re: Wrong Target
And your point is? The action of the Weathermen did kill folks, even if they were one of their own, so it will be hard for anyone to make the case that their protests were non violent. Whether anyone would have known who William Ayers was had the YCT's not brought up the matter is not a credible argument, a terroist is a terrorist even if some of the uniformed in the world don't know his or her name. You are correct, neither of us can be sure what Ayers meant with his statement, “we did not do enough”. But which seems more plausible for a gentleman that is a self confessed terrorist that the statement meant - wow we really should have done more peaceful, non violent political acts or, wow we should have done more bombings and been more agressive?
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Posted by: On: Thursday, November 27, 2008 1:31 PM

Comment Title: re: Capitalist
It would be nice if you would have used accurate information about the terrorist acts perpetrated by the Weatherman and the statements made by Ayers. Unless you count the death of two of their own members, these acts did not kill anyone, as bad as they may be. The statement that “we did not do enough” can mean a lot of different things from planting bombs to a simple political statement. Again, go read on the web and printed media about this statement. It is obvious you did not read a lot about what he did or did not say, write or do. I am certain that if John Wayne, Martians or whoever would not have brought the bogus link between Barak and Ayers, most people here, including the members of the YCTs, would not have known who he was and even less have protested if he were to visit the campus to give a seminar.
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Posted by: Capitalist On: Thursday, November 27, 2008 7:57 AM

Comment Title: Re: Wrong Target
Your arguments would be valid if Ayers had in fact become a repentant terrorist but he has not. He has continued to say that he and the Weather Underground did not do enough. I don't think anyone on this list, unless Bill Ayers himself is commenting, can say what Ayers is, or is not doing, right now. Further regardless of who brought this up (Clinton, GOP, YCTs, Howdy Doody, John Wayne, Ken Starr)the facts are that Bill Ayers and the Weather Underground did engage in violent political protests which resulted in the bombing of buidlings (NYPD, Pentagon, US Capitol to name a few), and the death of US Citizens. There is a huge difference between peaceful non-violent demonstrations that support/express your views and opinions, and violent actions involving death and destruction. The former is free speech at its finest, the latter is a crime. As Ayers himself said,"Guilty as hell, free as a bird, isn't America a great Country . . . ". BTW it was the professors, no tthe YCT, who signed the petition supporting Bill Ayers. If they are embarrassed or feel threatened that the world (at least the Brazos Valley) knows they signed the petition, then perhaps they shouldn't have signed it. I believe that they should be proud of their actions as they took a stand on an issue they were passionate about, but that's just me. However I continue to be amazed at how may people think that the actions of the YCTs are somehow embarrassing Texas A&M. Surpressing political views of the students and faculty would be wrong and if that were happening then Texas A&M should be embarrassed. But we should not be deloutional and believe that one political view (in this case supporting Ayers by the four professors)is protected free speech and should not be questioned, while the opposing view (in this case the YCTs focus on conservative values and reporting what professors did) is not free speech. As a previous commentor said, people have a right to express their opinions and views, they do not have protection from the consequences of their actions and that applies to both the Professors who support Ayers and the YCTs.
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Posted by: On: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 4:38 PM

Comment Title: OneMoreSplit
It is always amazing to me how the very group (Liberals) that says they support the constitutional amendment for free speech has the ability to bash anyone that does not agree with their warped values. I am so sick and tired of the double standard and hypocrisy that the liberals demonstrate. It must be really depressing to live your life in such fear of healthy debate, because it seems that liberals only method of rebutting anyone that disagrees with them is either through violence (Mr. Ayers) or by calling them a Nazi or Brown Shirt as Aggie12 so eloquently put it: "The Young Republicans are simply following in the steps of the Brown Shirts. This was Hitler's political party. They fought against anyone who disagreed with them with violence! This group is heading down the same road." Tell me Aggie12, if this group is heading down that path, does that mean Ayers is a early conservative that has just progressed down that path so far he turned into a Liberal?
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Posted by: On: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 4:27 PM

Comment Title: re: wrong target
As discussed by someone else below, the whole Ayers episode is a non-issue, unless he is currently plotting a terrorist act, as I am writing these lines (which he is not). If the YCT is upset about Ayers and his connections, they should target their anger at the judicial system (because he was let go either because the charges were dropped, as I read somewhere, or he was acquitted on a technicality). I understand about the right to free speech (this right is against the retribution of the government towards its citizen), but there is a difference between discussing different opinions say at a conference or during a debate and putting the names of people on a poster to single them out, especially when it is based on a bogus premise. I am sure that nobody is condoning Ayers’ actions that occurred more than 30 years ago, including the four A&M professors. However, I am certain the petition is based on the positive work he has accomplished since he became an academic (this is independent of his personal views about the U.S. Government). If he would have been convicted and paid his dues to society as they say, people would not have gone gung-ho on this issue. Finally, if Clinton and the GOP would not have brought this up, nobody would have cared about this.
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Posted by: Capitalist On: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 2:35 PM

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I presume you the commentor below is referring to Ayers. Actually the only reason Ayers isn't in prison is that he was acquitted on a technicality. To which Ayers responsed, "Guilty as hell, free as a bird, isn't America a great Country . . . ". And we was right America is a great country. No because the system set Ayers free, but because the system does a pretty darn good job protecting everyone's rights, including the right to free speech.
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Posted by: On: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 1:02 PM

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"The only reason he is in academia instead of a prison cell is because of...the dominance of the political Left in many colleges and universities across the country." That's the same old, tired argument thrown around by 18-20 year old neoconservatives on college campuses across the country. And it's least true here at A&M, a school ranked second nationally only to Brigham Young in terms of conservativism. "they do not have a right to be free from the consequences of their actions, i.e. the public criticism that their actions rightly deserve." ...and the same applies to your group, buddy.
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Posted by: Capitalist On: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 7:16 AM

Comment Title: Free Speech
Aggies around the world should be embarrassed about these events, but not because the YCT's exercised their first amendment rights but because those who disagree with them do so by comparing the YCT's to Nazis, Brown Shirts, and Rednecks. If you view the flyer at http://yct.tamu.edu/ you will see that there is nothing "nasty" or mean about the flyer, it simply provided information on the public actions of professors. It is absolutely the right of those professors to express their opinions and it is absolutely the right of the YCTs to express theirs. Isn't it the role of the University to encourage discussion and free experession of ones ideas and opinions or does the right to express ones ideas and opinions only apply to faculty?
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Posted by: On: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 5:02 PM

Comment Title: Embarrassed
I am a Former Student Of TAMU, living in Chicago. Things like this make me embarrassed to admit that I am an Aggie. One can be conservative without being nasty. Come on, act like grown-ups.
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Posted by: Aggie12 On: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 10:22 AM

Comment Title: The Brown Shirts
The Young Republicans are simply following in the steps of the Brown Shirts. This was Hitler's political party. They fought against anyone who disagreed with them with violence! This group is heading down the same road.
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Posted by: Typical redneck College Station/TAMU Trash On: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 5:45 AM

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Posted by: On: Monday, November 24, 2008 5:50 PM

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Friggn' Nazis!
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Posted by: On: Monday, November 24, 2008 5:17 PM

Comment Title: You say potato, I say pototo
"My opinion is that any person who supports a self confessed terrorist has some very misplaced and warped values". Sounds like a very apt description of many politicians currently in office.
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Posted by: Capitalist On: Monday, November 24, 2008 3:37 PM

Comment Title: What is the problem
Seems to me someone has a priority issue. Why would the YCT sponsor or the professors who signed the petition supporting Ayers care if their actions are publicized? If the professors are embarrassed or ashamed that they signed the petition then they shouldn't have signed it. It appears from the way the article is written that Dr. Fike thinks the publishing of the names of the professors who support Bill Ayers is what is embarrassing Texas A&M. My opinion is that any person who supports a self confessed terrorist has some very misplaced and warped values and I would argue it is those who support Ayers that are embarassing Texas A&M, not the YCT's who reported their actions.
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Posted by: On: Monday, November 24, 2008 8:30 AM

Comment Title: keep it up
Your football program is already in the toilet and now it appears you're trying to ruin the entire school's reputation with stuff like this...
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Posted by: On: Sunday, November 23, 2008 11:43 PM

Comment Title: Huge difference
Obama never endorsed or defended Ayers. These faculty members have endorsed Ayers and they have done so while listing their affiliation with TAMU. Huge difference.
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Posted by: Tony On: Sunday, November 23, 2008 11:32 PM

Comment Title: Free speech in support of terrorist violence?
Ayers has no regrets about his past, which includes violent bombings, massive property damage, contemplating mass genocide, and communist revolution. He has written that he has not ruled out the possibility of using violence again in the future. The only reason he is in academia instead of a prison cell is because of a legal technicality and the dominance of the political Left in many colleges and universities across the country. These four A&M professors have refused to say one way or another whether they support Ayers' violent past when questioned by YCT and the media. Why do you think that is?
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Posted by: Andy On: Sunday, November 23, 2008 10:48 PM

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Texas A&M in not a University. It has never been a place that has welcomed a free and open discussion. It is not a place where open mined students would choose to go or ware open minded faculty would prefer to teach.
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Posted by: Tony On: Sunday, November 23, 2008 10:42 PM

Comment Title: Is the Eagle being fair and balanced?
Would the Eagle have treated the story the same way if conservative professors had signed a petition in support of a bomber of abortion clinics???
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Posted by: Tony On: Sunday, November 23, 2008 9:51 PM

Comment Title: Dr. John Fike is a liberal; These profs needed to be exposed
John Fike is a liberal and was sabotaging YCT from the inside. YCT broke off the relationship with him because he was bad-mouthing YCT to the media without students' prior notice. He did NOT advise YCT for 3 years. YCT was only reestablished this past spring! http://media.www.thebatt.com/media/storage/paper657/news/2008/04/18/News/Young.Conservatives.Of.Texas.Am.Chapter.Gains.New.Adviser-3334449.shtml YCT has done its research: http://ycttamu.wordpress.com/2008/11/19/am-profs-sign-petition-supporting-terrorist-william-ayers/
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Posted by: Tony On: Sunday, November 23, 2008 9:30 PM

Comment Title: Profs are the real story, not YCT
Why doesn't the Eagle actually show a copy of the flier that YCT posted? See it here: http://yct.tamu.edu/ YCT merely wishes to educate and inform the student body, faculty, former students, and Bryan-College Station community about this online petition and the professors who have signed it. These professors have taken a public stance in support of a very controversial figure. We strongly disagree with that stance and believe most Americans do too. Let's remember that Ayers has no regrets about his past, which includes violent bombings, massive property damage, contemplating mass genocide, and communist revolution. He has written that he has not ruled out the possibility of using violence again in the future. The only reason he is in academia instead of a prison cell is because of a legal technicality and the dominance of the political Left in many colleges and universities across the country. These professors have a right to support whomever they want, however wrong-headed and outrageous, but they do not have a right to be free from the consequences of their actions, i.e. the public criticism that their actions rightly deserve. Why is it that when YCT expresses its opinion it is always labeled as "hate" or "intolerance"? These labels are meant to intimidate YCT into keeping its views to itself.
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Posted by: U Don't want to know. On: Sunday, November 23, 2008 8:41 PM

Comment Title: Shame, Shame
This institution (TAMU) will never be RECOGNIZED as world renown university due to these types of actions our current student body enacts upon itself. Wait till World News takes a wind of it !
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Posted by: On: Sunday, November 23, 2008 4:23 PM

Comment Title: YCT – as ignorant as it can be
First, the whole matter about Ayers was non-issue during the election campaign, as it is now. To the previous poster (titled Hypocrisy), if the YCT wants to raise awareness about anti-American activities, they should discuss Sarah Palin’s connection to terrorism. As documented elsewhere, Palin’s husband was pallin’ around (that is being a member of a political party for several years) with the violent secessionist group known as the Alaska Independence Party whose founder, Joe Vogler, was willing to spit on the American flag and raise arms against the US. In fact, he was murdered when a deal to buy explosives turned bad (aka terrorist activities). Furthermore, Vogler received the support no less from Iran when he went in front of the UN to promote the secession of Alaska from the US in the early 90s. Given the YCT’s stand on these kinds of activities, I am still waiting for them to raise another stupid exploit about Palin’s connection. I think I will be waiting for a long time for this to happen however. Second, it has been very interesting to read about the recent stunts from the YCT. It is obvious that the students at the top of this organization (perhaps this includes all other members) do not have any clue about what they are talking about. They confuse socialism with communism and they do not even understand that the US already has social programs, from which they are currently benefiting from. For instance, since Texas A&M University is a public institution, a large part of the full tuition is covered by the state. In other words, this social program allows them to attend this university at a lower cost than if this program was not implemented. Since I am sharing my wealth so that these students can afford to attend A&M, they are more than welcome to return the money to me (my share of the pie, although minuscule). Perhaps they should pay back the four faculty members identified in the article, who also helped them attend this university via the taxes they pay. Finally, if the YCT members would travel outside the US, maybe they would have a more rounded view about how some social programs work well in other countries (note: no program is perfect).
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Posted by: On: Sunday, November 23, 2008 1:21 PM

Comment Title: Hypocrisy
Listi: "the Young Conservatives' recent actions propagate the image of an intolerant campus". By condemning the YCT for their intolerance Listi engages in the very behavior he is condemning. One may not like the YCT's methods but they're absolutely right to qustion those who support an unrepentant domestic terrorist. Listi's comments say less about the YCT than they do his own political slant and his willingness to use the prestige of his office to further that agenda.
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Posted by: shazam On: Sunday, November 23, 2008 1:06 PM

Comment Title: Take a step back
First things first. The professors that signed that petition did so knowing it would be public--that is the nature of a petition. Secondly, would we be having this discussion had these kids not posted these fliers. Yes, they could've been more adroit in their actions. But the group's purpose is to raise awareness, and they did.
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Posted by: On: Sunday, November 23, 2008 12:36 PM

Comment Title: Community Wins Trifecta
Whether you agree with the opinions of these students or not, it is clear they show an incredible lack of judgement. They seem to be taking Limbaugh and Hannity as the role models of conservatism rather than the Buckleys (who can participate in thoughtful discussion) or the Reagons (who realize emphasizing the potential for positive results is the way to win converts.) These students are a disgrace to conservatives everywhere and are yet another example of the Republican party's anti-thought mindset that pushes reasonable people away and marginalizes the party's political force. This is likely to be the third time our community has been thrust into the national spotlight related to the election. First it was the fake attack in Pittsburgh. Then it was the egg throwing. The top recommended diary on Daily Kos has picked this story up ... it will make it elsewhere. Trifecta! Our democracy needs (at least) two thoughful parties to provide us with options. Please, Young Conservaties of Texas, quit trying to put the Republican party next to the Whig party in the history books.
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Posted by: On: Sunday, November 23, 2008 10:29 AM

Comment Title: pompous
It is a shame that we live in a world that has no couth, where we air our neighbors private matters proudly. Whatever happened to the right to privacy? It's fine to discuss political views as long as everyone involved is willing. But to bully someone into a "discussion" by these means is very unthoughtful and rude. Thank you for showing us that A&M is more concerned about it's students being allowed to do as they please than protecting it's professors from unneccessary harrassment. No wonder our educational system has such a hard time finding teachers.
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Posted by: Class of '95 On: Sunday, November 23, 2008 10:15 AM

Comment Title: Guidance
This group needs counseling and guidance. They perpetuate the stereotype of unsophisticated redneck Republicans, and they are an embarassment to Texas A&M.
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