Dr. Don McLeroy has served on the State Board of Education with passion and commitment, and no doubt will continue to do so.
It has been increasingly clear to Texans, however, that that passion and commitment makes him unsuited to be chairman of that board. Enough state senators understand that and voted Thursday not to approve Gov. Rick Perry's reappointment of the conservative local dentist to that position.
While McLeroy certainly is entitled to his firm belief in the story of Creation, he was wrong to try to force that belief on the state's science curriculum.
Science classes must be reserved strictly for provable or repeatable science. They are not a place for lessons or discussions of any faith. It is disingenuous to say that "intelligent design" -- creationist belief wrapped up in a new package -- should be offered as an alternative to the well-established and repeatable theory of evolution.
Perhaps -- perhaps -- there is a place in public schools for teaching the Judeo-Christian tradition of the creation of the Earth and humankind in literature and comparative religion classes. The latter, however, must be comprehensive and not just a recitation of beliefs.
The people of Texas and now the state Senate have sent a clear message to Gov. Perry. When he chooses a new chairman of the State Board of Education, he must do so wisely and with great care. Picking another Christian fundamentalist who will try to promote out-of-the-mainstream ideas about science curriculum will not be acceptable.
A diversity of opinions on the state board is desirable, but it is not a place to promote faith over science. We have our homes and our places of worship for that.
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Tuesday, June 02, 2009 8:39 PM
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I read about a lot of MONKEY business in Bryan.
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GWEN On:
Tuesday, June 02, 2009 4:23 PM
Comment Title: TIME FOR THE TRUTH
WE ALL DONE COME FROM MONKEYS AND THATS THAT THE FOLKS BEEN TRYING THAT OLD SPEECH ABOUT CRATION FOR YEARS AND THERE IS NO PROOF I THINK THAT WE ARE ALL RELATED TO MONKEYS AND WE JUST DONT NO BECAUSE THE GOVERMINT DOESENT WANT US TO NO
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BSquare On:
Tuesday, June 02, 2009 11:41 AM
Comment Title: SBOE Editorial
Thank you SO much for stating that McLeroy is ill-suited for the SBOE. I was honestly starting to think everyone in Brazos County was a total nutjob.
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Robin On:
Tuesday, June 02, 2009 11:37 AM
Comment Title: So we came from monkeys?
So if we came from monkeys then why is it that the hair that grows on our head is different from the hair on our arms and that's different than the hair on our legs and "other areas"? What about all the tiny little bones in our fingers and toes and the way our elbows will only bend one way? Why do they still exist if we "evolved" from them? I know some people find comfort in what they feel is "proof", but I look at all that surrounds us and I see something far too wonderful to have "just happened". For the people who think that God requires that we pray to Him, all He ask is that we believe in Him and have faith in Him. The prayers are something we choose to do.
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Tuesday, June 02, 2009 10:51 AM
Comment Title: The real winner
The real winner of the best post is Steve Brashear. You rock, Steve!!
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Christian Realist On:
Tuesday, June 02, 2009 9:52 AM
Comment Title: The winner of the best post is:
"I too am a Christian, and Scientist. Throughout my studing I have found nothing BUT proof that God does exist. To say He doesn't is saying that you don't believe the universe is growing either and that gravity is just a figment of our imagination because we can't see it. But as a tax-payer, I would like the schools not to just teach evolution, but also ADAPTATION. Lets give a good argument considering that DNA tells us we are genetically compatible with pigs rather than monkeys." This poster did not put a title or name but is the epitome of how we should all be - NON-judgemental. I am a Christian, actually posted earlier on this blog, but what most people are missing here is that this country was founded on Jedeo-Christian principles. The person who referenced teaching our kids all the other religions tales of creation doesn't get it because that is NOT what this country was founded on. And before all of you start in on that Benjamin Franklin, et all were atheists...no they were deists. Look it up before spouting off. When I look at how perfect everything on this earth works together it is so hard for me to fathom that anyone could not believe in an almighty creator of everything. There is no way all of this came form "duck soup".
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Russell On:
Tuesday, June 02, 2009 7:52 AM
Comment Title: Whoa Steve...
Your amazing, so tough on the Eagle forum. Your so cool!!
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Tuesday, June 02, 2009 7:44 AM
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I too am a Christian, and Scientist. Throughout my studing I have found nothing BUT proof that God does exist. To say He doesn't is saying that you don't believe the universe is growing either and that gravity is just a figment of our imagination because we can't see it. But as a tax-payer, I would like the schools not to just teach evolution, but also ADAPTATION. Lets give a good argument considering that DNA tells us we are genetically compatible with pigs rather than monkeys.
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steve brashear On:
Tuesday, June 02, 2009 7:13 AM
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bill batchelor says that biological macro evolution, like global warming is a lie and all about power and money and controling people. i guess if he's a practicing christian he knows all about money, power and controlling people by getting them to blindly follow a bunch of horsesh!t. if we're to take the bible seriously as a biological text, then are we also to teach that it's possible for a man to exist inside the stomach of a whale? it's possible for a man to load all of the creatures of the earth and birds of the sky onto a homemade boat and nobody got eaten? next thing you know, all of our daughters will be blaming there bastard children on alien forces and perhaps, if we've all spent enough time in the pews being told what to believe, we'll believe that our precious daughters didn't have sex with their boyfriends, are indeed still virgins and their pregnancies are indeed a miracle. keep it in the churches, you pushy, arrogant douche.
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Bill Batchelor On:
Tuesday, June 02, 2009 6:47 AM
Comment Title: Scripture has the Answers
In Luke 23:39-43, two thieves are hung with Jesus on the cross: one on His left, the other on His right. One thief was mocking him and hurling insults at Jesus. The other man rebuked the first and said to Jesus, "Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom." Jesus answered him, "I tell you the truth, today you will be with me in paradise." Jesus didn't check his church membership, wasn't worried if he was jew or gentile and didn't ask about his past sins. Jesus looked at his heart and saw his yearning for the Saviour. The correct answer is I've accepted the price that Jesus paid for my sins - His blood. To talk more on this subject, please write me at bbbtoms@hotmail.com
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steven On:
Monday, June 01, 2009 10:42 PM
Comment Title: Teacher
Just an idea, but maybe we should have a teacher as the director. Also I wanted to say I don't think it matters too much what we teach our kids, they'll find out what they want to know anyway.
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Monday, June 01, 2009 9:38 PM
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How do you know the only question to be asked at this judgment day? And should you be correct as to the question, what is the correct answer?
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Bill Batchelor On:
Monday, June 01, 2009 9:25 PM
Comment Title: I don't want to get religious on you, but...since you asked
The only question you'll be asked at the judgement is the same question Pontious Pilate asked the crowd: What will you do with Him who is called Jesus? There was an actual dude named Jesus who died on a Roman cross at 33 years old...the question is was He the Son of God?
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Monday, June 01, 2009 9:12 PM
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To me, it isn't what the gov't and scientists tell me. What I can't get a grasp of is an almighty entity that created all this stuff and yet it wants its creations to pray to it and tell it that it is the all powerful. Just doesn't make sense to me. If it exists, I doubt it will hold my skepticism against me.
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Bill Batchelor On:
Monday, June 01, 2009 7:43 PM
Comment Title: Define your terms
I'd like to jump in here for a sec...Believing in biological macro-evolution is mutually exclusive from being a Bible believing, Jesus loving Christian. If you say you believe in both, you're afraid to take a stand for truth. If you don't believe Exodus 20:11..."in 6 days, God created the heavens and the earth...", than you don't believe Scripture...and that's okay. If you go to icr.org and see their dozens of credentialed scientists, or answers.org or review the thousands of Ph.d scientists who find from their research that the evidence doesn't add up that we came from pond scum, then you'll understand why this debate won't die. The anti-God crowd has controlled what is taught in the science classroom for a hundred years now, and yet the average person KNOWS that king kong ain't a long lost cousin! This forum is not conducive to examining the evidence...but if you look closely at what the evidence is for a young earth, you'll have a completely different take on why the search for the "missing link" will never end. Global warming, like biological macro evolution is a lie. It's all about money and power - and who controls you. But if you're like most people, you believe whatever the government and it's scientists tell you.
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Monday, June 01, 2009 6:57 PM
Comment Title: Words don't make it so.
Old writings and maps indicate that the earth is flat. Why not teach that in science classes, along with the notion that Earth is an orb?
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Monday, June 01, 2009 3:35 PM
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Teach creationism if you wish; however, do it as an elective and do not let it count as a science credit(s) for graduation.
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Monday, June 01, 2009 3:33 PM
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Russell, you're missing the point. You want to teach creation, fine. But, you'll also have to teach every single other "creation" tale from other religions as well. Not to mention the differing viewpoints even on Christian based teachings of intelligent design; they're not all harmonious either. None of that distracts from the fact that none of them are falsifiable (as SCIENTIFIC theories can) and can't stand even a rudimentary fact checking outside of a religious text that relies on nothing more provable than faith. Heck, if we were to rely on the Bible for scientific teachings, the value of Pi would stand at 3 and geometry and engineering would have some serious problems. You want to teach religious text in school, under limited literary or philosophy classes that'd be fine. But, religious beliefs have no place in proper scientific teachings.
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Russell On:
Monday, June 01, 2009 1:50 PM
Comment Title: Thanks for driving the point home.
I also believe in evolution, I'm a Christian and I have no problem with schools teaching evolution so whats the big stink about teaching creation as well? Well atheists, I'm waiting...
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Monday, June 01, 2009 11:10 AM
Comment Title: To Russell
Hey Russell, guess what: Being Christian and believing in evolution aren't fundamentally apart from one another, and a great great number of self-professed Christians (the ones who answered as such on those surveys) do believe in evolution as well.
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Ex-Advertiser On:
Monday, June 01, 2009 8:05 AM
Comment Title: Funny stuff!!
Its funny seeing the Eagle slowly die. The editorials just get better and better, Showing their true face, not to mention the reason they will go under.
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Russell On:
Monday, June 01, 2009 8:00 AM
Comment Title: Might wanna do a little journalism before writing a story...
"Picking another Christian fundamentalist who will try to promote out-of-the-mainstream ideas about science curriculum will not be acceptable." --Out of the mainstream?? Really? Maybe you should note that as of 2008 over 76% of Americans consider themselves Christian. So how is teaching creation in the classroom out of the "mainstream"?? Just another example of why this country is falling apart, it has become minority rule.
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Monday, June 01, 2009 7:15 AM
Comment Title: Keep creationism in Church
Though science is based on theory, there does appear to be concrete evidence - say fossils, etc., upon which to base those theories, though they can be disproven. They evidence for the belief in creation is found in a fine piece of literature. That literature might or might not be discussed in an English literature class or a philosophy class. That would appear to be the most appropriate classroom if any. I still have not seen any concrete evidence supporting creationism. I have however touched fossils, etc. If that makes me a heathen in your view, I feel sorry for you. I have been careful to keep my personal beliefs out of this posting. Personal beliefs are personal. I will only say this, if you try to guess them, you will likely be wrong.
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Sunday, May 31, 2009 6:13 PM
Comment Title: Great editorial
Of course Perry can select a Christian to head the SBOE, that's not the issue here. McLeroy would force his beliefs of creationism into classrooms across the state. Textbooks would need to be rewritten to suit his orders. Our textbooks are copied and sent to a great many other states for use in their classrooms. We have to stop with this ignorant view of fundamental biology. For those who say that there is absolutely no evidence for evolution is simply wrong. This isn't an anti-Christian belief, evolution doesn't exist to disprove Christianity. Anyone who has ever taken a high school level or college level biology class knows that evolution exists. Does that make them somehow less Christian? No. Perry needs to choose a candidate who isn't afraid of science. And when did it become cool to use the "paint your roof white" meme?
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Cindy Vick On:
Sunday, May 31, 2009 12:33 PM
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Just another excellent reason for the separation of education and state.
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Sunday, May 31, 2009 9:54 AM
Comment Title: For crying out loud...
Ok. If you're going to find fault with today's teaching, GET INTO A CLASSROOM. Until you have taught, you should NOT be criticizing. Secondly, the "Strengths and Weaknesses" argument is only a smokescreen to get fundamentalist Christian dogma taught in our public schools. You may argue that there's little to no scientific evidence for evolution - in which case you'd be simply wrong. However, there is exactly ZERO evidence showing any sort of "intelligent design" or any creationist idea. There is NO PROOF. Science is about hypothesis-test-evaluation, which you cannot do when you simply say "God did it." Have your Christian faith all you want - keep it out of my child's classroom and out of our science texts. Texas is the laughingstock of the western world because we can't seem to realize that superstition =/= science.
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Created, NOT evolutionized! On:
Sunday, May 31, 2009 9:31 AM
Comment Title: Christian Teaching
I would like to know when my hometown of B/CS became such science buffs/atheists. So when Perry picks the next person to chair the SBOE they should NOT be Christians? Good grief, it says in the bible that Christians will be persecuted for their faith, but this is getting ridiculous. Ridiculous that Christians get ridiculed for having that belief. If the Ten Commandments were taught in school, along with a few other pertinent passages, or if we could still pray in schools, then our public school system might be able to provide an education for our kids instead of being like "juvie". The same people who decry teaching creationism are also against school vouchers - correct? Why do the Dems say they are the party of diversity when they are anything but? If vouchers were available in ALL areas, then parents would have a "choice" (that is another word you Dems like a lot) on where to send their children for education and could maybe choose St. Michaels, etc. I, along with Mr. Batchelor would like to know why the Eagle Editorial Board is so against/afraid of creationism being taught. When I was in school, Madelyn Murray O'Hare was making her mark. Since then, it would appear our schools have gone downhill fast. Cooincidence? I think not!
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Bill Batchelor On:
Sunday, May 31, 2009 7:13 AM
Comment Title: Repeatable? Really?
The ignorance of the three stooges who sit on the editorial board is amazing. Even though they think that most of their readers won't know the difference, "the people of Texas" have NOT sent a clear message to Governor Perry. The vote was 19-11 straight down party lines. It was a purely political vote. Although it could be seen as a religious vote as well, with the Democrats becoming the party of secularists. Don is a well known Christian but was never pushing his views on anyone. The "strengths and weaknesses" was about the theory of evolution, not the tenets of Christianity. Are evolutionists so scared of their sacred religion that they don't want questions raised? The enlightened ones on the edit board also used the word repeatable - twice! Just which part of the godless theory is repeatable? It's not how we transition from pond scum to fish, or from lizards to birds or from monkeys to people. Its never happened and can't be proven or repeated. Cats don't change into dogs. And the latest discovery of a lemur named Ida offers no salvation for the anti-christian crowd. Ida is pristine, complete with fur, but is still a monkey, not the "missing link" holy grail. Is the fossil record repeatable? Nope. Is it evidence for evolution? Not hardly. With the exception of dinosaurs and others that are extinct, fossils look just like animals today and are better understood to have been deposited from a great hydraulic catastrophe. Like the global warming faithful, the edit board is just repeating what they've heard without checking the evidence for themselves. They can find the white paint for their roofs at any local hardware store.
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