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Posted: Thursday, July 25, 2013 12:00 am

12th Man Foundation President Skip Wagner maintains Kyle Field re-seating will continue as planned despite a lawsuit by a handful of Texas A&M alumni seeking to halt the process.

Wagner said he couldn't talk specifically about the lawsuit, but gave more details about the foundation's role in the $450 million Kyle Field redevelopment.

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31 comments:

  • Bill Knotts'51 posted at 3:42 pm on Fri, Jul 26, 2013.

    Bill Knotts'51 Posts: 84

    "Come on man"this is Capitalism;" butterin" Communism.

     
  • Extremely Fast Driver posted at 12:14 am on Fri, Jul 26, 2013.

    Extremely Fast Driver Posts: 240

    Aggies don't cheat or steal? Apparently they do. Dishonest.

     
  • elf posted at 8:58 pm on Thu, Jul 25, 2013.

    elf Posts: 1594

    Shall I guess which large building at the edge of College Station you inhabit in or are you going to confine your remarks to the subject.? I do not like personal attacks . Promises were made both in writing and verbally. Both apply. Donors are easily discouraged.

     
  • the real slim shady posted at 7:10 pm on Thu, Jul 25, 2013.

    the real slim shady Posts: 399

    I thought Aggies don't lie cheat or steal.

    And if this about treating some groups or individual differently because of their donation, then that tells us all we need to know about what matters here. And at some point you can't treat everyone "special" because then everyone is treated the same anyway. Sounds like a Ponzi Scheme to me.

     
  • FromAfar posted at 6:32 pm on Thu, Jul 25, 2013.

    FromAfar Posts: 485

    "Private donations" include unrestricted university funds that could be used for academics. TAMU has already given a million or so of such funds in the investigatory phase.

     
  • nn posted at 6:03 pm on Thu, Jul 25, 2013.

    nn Posts: 295

    You are really thinking that the visitors of the football games (about 8 nights a year) form the largest part of the hotel guests????

    What a nonsense!!!

     
  • Sabio posted at 4:45 pm on Thu, Jul 25, 2013.

    Sabio Posts: 1736

    elf, you better re-read the article. The promise that was made was that they'd have seats in Kyle Field. The plaintiff attorneys acknowledge that , "The endowment agreement allows for parking privileges in the endowed area, but, similar to the seating, it doesn't explicitly state where that is.

    They weren't promised THOSE seats. Moreover, THOSE seats won't be there after they demolish the West side stands.

    And, I'm guessing you're not from around here. It's called an "end zone", not an "in zone". Bettin' you're one of them ferners.... :)

     
  • Sabio posted at 4:40 pm on Thu, Jul 25, 2013.

    Sabio Posts: 1736

    The reason you can get 25 yard line tickets to tu games is because of simple supply and demand. The demand for tickets in Austin is less than demand for tickets in College Station.

    Basic economics always rules the day.

     
  • Sabio posted at 4:38 pm on Thu, Jul 25, 2013.

    Sabio Posts: 1736

    They may be hpyocritical lechers, but you are misinformed. According to published reports, of the $450 million, $36 million will come from hotel taxes, and $75 million from student fees (over the next 30 years). The remaining $339 MILLION will come from PRIVATE DONATONS!!!

    You are incorrect about the students paying and not getting anything out of it, there are 30,000 student seats allocated for EVERY GAME. And, for those paying the hotel tax, most of them will get something out of it since most of them are in hotels because they're going to the game. The ONLY ones not getting anything out of the renovation of Kyle Field are those who stay in hotels that don't attend a game. Of the 100,000+ who attend games over a 30 year period, their number is de minimus.

     
  • Sabio posted at 4:31 pm on Thu, Jul 25, 2013.

    Sabio Posts: 1736

    What is the deal with car dealers?!? Seating is determined by donations of cold, hard, cash. Most of the big money flowing to Kyle field is from oil and gas guys, not car dealers.

    You guys don't know squat.

    For the record, there are 30,000 seats set aside for students. That's more student seating than ANY other university in America.

     
  • because posted at 3:51 pm on Thu, Jul 25, 2013.

    because Posts: 359

    When do Aggies finally stop claiming that they are better than others, they don't.
    Just read the blog....

     
  • elf posted at 3:48 pm on Thu, Jul 25, 2013.

    elf Posts: 1594

    @Jer2: I have actually been to 5 Aggie football games at Kyle field. But you are right about not planning to attend another. They have priced me out of the system, and in turn given me the choice of bad seats or worse seats. It's more enjoyable to watch the games on HD TV. I can get considerably cheaper tickets on the 25 yard line in Memorial stadium for UT games, but I do not plan to get them.

     
  • jerry b-cs posted at 3:01 pm on Thu, Jul 25, 2013.

    jerry b-cs Posts: 116

    Skip you may be in the right legally but you're not in the right ethically. Aggies should always treat people the way they would want to be treated in the same situation.

     
  • jer2 posted at 11:44 am on Thu, Jul 25, 2013.

    jer2 Posts: 314

    How would you know, this coming from a guy that is never satisfied unless every last penny goes to the faculty. Get over yourself, we realize that you've never even been to a game nor plan to in the near future.

     
  • elf posted at 11:34 am on Thu, Jul 25, 2013.

    elf Posts: 1594

    So the take-home message to be learned from this is that you really should have given your money to organizations that kept their promises. Get over your football addiction. Its not that much fun watching the game from the in zone. Money is better spent supporting scholarship funds not run by TAMU.

     
  • agnerd posted at 11:18 am on Thu, Jul 25, 2013.

    agnerd Posts: 800

    "Each of the Aggies indicated at the Tuesday press conference that they were not going to submit an application to the foundation before the July 31 deadline."

    Why not hedge your bets? If they lose this lawsuit, not only will they have lost their current seats, but will lose the opportunity to buy ANY seats in the new stadium along with a $2000 seat credit being offered to them. Makes me question the legal advice these plantiffs are getting from their lawyer.

     
  • agnerd posted at 11:15 am on Thu, Jul 25, 2013.

    agnerd Posts: 800

    If you actually read the contract before you sign it, there won't be any misunderstandings. Personally, I'll donate money based on what the contract says. If it's ambiguous, you have clarification written into the contract or adjust your donation based on the worst-case-scenario if no clarifications are allowed. If these donors had hired a lawyer before they signed the contract instead of after, they may not be in their current position.

     
  • nn posted at 11:12 am on Thu, Jul 25, 2013.

    nn Posts: 295

    As usual, everybody wants somebody else to pay....
    But everybody wants the better amenities (better seats, special club were you old farts can stick together, and claim who much your Alma Mater means to you).

    Only the students and the taxpayers have to foot the bill, without getting anything
    out of it

    You guys are all hypocritical lechers. ..

     
  • nn posted at 10:02 am on Thu, Jul 25, 2013.

    nn Posts: 295

    they need the students, to make the noise, in order to get the "right ambiance". And who else would sit in the plain sun 1:00 - 5:00 PM

     
  • hawk posted at 9:15 am on Thu, Jul 25, 2013.

    hawk Posts: 1

    Um, what happens with all the money the university gets from the SEC TV contracts? Is there some reason that money can't be used to help pay for the upgrades? Seems to be also that it would make more sense to add the south end zone seats. The income from the additional seating would help to pay at least for that work and it would make room for additional fans creating more tax income from the money spent in town by those fans. Seems more important to get the wealthy people and those that get "special treatment" like the 12th man execs, better digs even at the cost of the slightly less affluent members. Same as what happened last year stealing the lifetime parking from an elderly couple. NO CLASS and a disregard of agreements already made. Even if there are loopholes that allow this, the question is, "IS IT ETHICAL" and does it follow Aggie Core Values". Or have they changed those too????

     
  • hotdog posted at 8:26 am on Thu, Jul 25, 2013.

    hotdog Posts: 1018

    What makes you think there will be any tickets for students. They will be sold out just like anything else to do with football.

     
  • hotdog posted at 8:24 am on Thu, Jul 25, 2013.

    hotdog Posts: 1018

    Skip does not care, he is the head cheese and he will have his seats[wink]

     
  • Bill Knotts'51 posted at 8:11 am on Thu, Jul 25, 2013.

    Bill Knotts'51 Posts: 84

    Most of you are trying the same thing done on the national level,that is to redefine the language.That is why we should adhere to Latin and Greek,those words mean something.Have fun but don't let it ruin your day.

     
  • nn posted at 7:44 am on Thu, Jul 25, 2013.

    nn Posts: 295

    well, do you expect the renovation only be paid for by taxpayers' money, and students' fee ? Shouldn't the only group, among which this stupid renovation had an overwhelming support, namely the alumni, also contribute something?

    Moreover: it is the Westside which gets most of the upgrades (more boxes, club areas etc.) while students will as usual have to stand in the burning sun, since
    these stupid games are scheduled at 1:00 PM, because the TV stations dictate that....

    Yes it is all about money, and if you don't like that, do like I do, boycott them, and let the car dealers have the seats..

     
  • Kade posted at 7:37 am on Thu, Jul 25, 2013.

    Kade Posts: 69

    Trying to extort more money from these people should send a warning signal to anyone tempted to spend a lot of money on special seating. Even when they say you'll have the seats for life, they'll move you at some point if you don't pay more. Sounds like a good reason not to give the athletic department another dime.

     
  • slowpoke posted at 7:11 am on Thu, Jul 25, 2013.

    slowpoke Posts: 38

    It's all about the money,nothing else..

     
  • SDW posted at 7:10 am on Thu, Jul 25, 2013.

    SDW Posts: 337

    "I understand that, but, again, I'd tell you that you have a handful of people who are unhappy and many more who are encouraging."

    So are they saying the courts decision will be based on how many people are ok with the changes? Interesting. Oh wait...we are talking about A&M and aggies. That makes it all about money and not what's right.

     
  • Sabio posted at 7:05 am on Thu, Jul 25, 2013.

    Sabio Posts: 1736

    " The endowment agreement allows for parking privileges in the endowed area, but, similar to the seating, it doesn't explicitly state where that is."

    This is why the suit will fail. The agreement, acknowledged by the plaintiff's attorneys, says that they are guaranteed tickets, but doesn't explicitly say where. These guys want their same seats. The agreement does not guarantee them that.

    That's why they took this to the media. FINALLY, The Eagle reports ALL the facts on the story. Too bad they didn't report this essential fact in the first story when the plaintiff's attorneys went public. Such a fact renders this story moot.

     
  • Sabio posted at 7:02 am on Thu, Jul 25, 2013.

    Sabio Posts: 1736

    That's pretty funny! What is "evil", and what is "good"? Who decides?

     
  • citizen1 posted at 6:41 am on Thu, Jul 25, 2013.

    citizen1 Posts: 267

    They should just cancel the renovations and use the half billion for good rather than evil

     
  • Bill Knotts'51 posted at 6:07 am on Thu, Jul 25, 2013.

    Bill Knotts'51 Posts: 84

    Deja vu all over again.There has been a history of changes to seating priorities from the advent of a second deck,etc.We had "Option Seating"when the second level was constructed that went out the window when more MONEY took over.Not to be outdone,later when the "Varsity" level came to be the "Extra Pointers" were shoved to the End Zone view.Always and always ruled by the "Market".Get over it because nothing will change except the amount you have to pay to get preferred seating.

     

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