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Posted: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 12:00 am | Updated: 12:32 am, Wed Dec 19, 2012.

It likely will come as little surprise to anyone that area lawmakers expect gun control and mental health funding to be issues raised when the Texas Legislature convenes Jan. 8.

District 14 Texas House Rep. John Raney said he already knows of proposals being written that outlaw assault weapons and large-capacity magazines.

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33 comments:

  • prairiegirl posted at 7:27 am on Wed, Dec 26, 2012.

    prairiegirl Posts: 555

    Here's a question; IF there were to be an assault weapons bans AND a ban on magazines that hold more than, let's say 8 rounds, what do you all think that our current government leadership would do to get a hold of all those that exist in homes at this moment? Do you really think that ANY citizen would just turn them in? Not hardly! We have strict gun laws. We NEED stronger laws where the mentally challenged or deranged can be committed to institutions where they can be taken care of and keep the public safe.

     
  • Sabio posted at 7:10 am on Sun, Dec 23, 2012.

    Sabio Posts: 1463

    There are more deaths caused by automobiles than by guns, I don't see any real rush to ban cars. The simple fact is that collective solutions don't solve individual problems. A new law will not stop this from happening again because the INDIVIDUAL who does something like this acts irresponsibly. Punishing the hundreds to stop the one is pure foolishness.

    Individual liberty and individual responsibility are inseparable. As a society to day, we value the former, and dismiss the latter. THAT is what will be the downfall of the Great American Experiment.

     
  • bonhomme posted at 7:19 pm on Sat, Dec 22, 2012.

    bonhomme Posts: 1

    Very interesting Journal of the American Medical Association article on how gun violence research in the US has been defunded by pro-gun-manufacturers' lobby members of Congress. No research = No answers = No solutions. http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=1487470

     
  • Daly posted at 3:01 pm on Fri, Dec 21, 2012.

    Daly Posts: 8

    This is the best quote ever. I love when my reps say stupid things

     
  • areallocal posted at 4:20 pm on Thu, Dec 20, 2012.

    areallocal Posts: 19

    And you, jimcima, need to get a dose of reality. Liking a person that hunts with a gun or has one for self/family protection isn't a sin, and nor or a majority of citizens that have them guilty of shooting anyone. You fail to provide any details of those purported shootings...how they happened, were they by crooks, were they by CHL holders, were they by cops, etc. Throwing that rambling out there without any details paints a broad picture of generalities and no substance. Then, you link Kyle without caring for children? Really? You are casting stones.

     
  • elsp posted at 3:52 pm on Thu, Dec 20, 2012.

    elsp Posts: 1

    Honey, you _buried_ that lede.

     
  • Serious posted at 3:31 pm on Thu, Dec 20, 2012.

    Serious Posts: 81

    Obama at a press conference telling reporters why Republican House members should accept his proposal for higher tax rates…

    “And when you think about what we've gone through over the last couple of months -- a devastating hurricane, and now one of the worst tragedies in our memory -- the country deserves folks to be willing to compromise on behalf of the greater good, and not tangle themselves up in a whole bunch of ideological positions that don’t make much sense.”

    Charles Krauthammer has it dead-on right here…
    “I think the president invoking the massacre of children to say the Republicans need to accept his terms of surrender in the negotiations is not just a non-sequitur. I think it's a sacrilege. It is of a piece with the tone of the news conference. This is the way he conducts them generally, in which is he is excessively self-righteous. He talks about the other side being unprincipled, not interested in the national interest, slaves of ideology which he says makes no sense and, as you mention, invested in opposing him. To the point they are willing to let the country suffer. So it's a combination of self-righteousness and narcissism.”

     
  • Serious posted at 3:24 pm on Thu, Dec 20, 2012.

    Serious Posts: 81

    Good point...!

     
  • jimcima posted at 1:32 pm on Thu, Dec 20, 2012.

    jimcima Posts: 1

    Really? You "like" him?

    There are 32,000 gun deaths in the US every year, or about 88 per day, and since the massacre last Friday there have been 528 additional deaths.

    What "context" is there? Kyle lives in a bubble where 10 or 100 or 1000 children simply don't matter to him. How does this demonstrate his Christian or family values?

    You, and he, need to change and live like Christ, not just pay lip service to Our Lord.

     
  • jer posted at 8:28 am on Thu, Dec 20, 2012.

    jer Posts: 311

    Anecdotal evidence. Unfortunately, that strategy is used by everyone to push their own beliefs and agendas, but it is no substitute for real research and analysis.

     
  • eaglereader posted at 9:51 pm on Wed, Dec 19, 2012.

    eaglereader Posts: 18

    ahhh Colorado - good thinking! [wink]

     
  • jake posted at 8:04 pm on Wed, Dec 19, 2012.

    jake Posts: 200

    I really like Kyle. Have hunted with him and love his family and Christian values. Please tell me that quote was some way taken out of context.

     
  • citizen1 posted at 6:56 pm on Wed, Dec 19, 2012.

    citizen1 Posts: 253

    I want a nice refugee camp in New Mexico... or maybe Colorado...

     
  • eaglereader posted at 6:19 pm on Wed, Dec 19, 2012.

    eaglereader Posts: 18

    Well this one is a gem - the ping-pong response to mass murder. Perry couldnt have done better.

     
  • eaglereader posted at 6:18 pm on Wed, Dec 19, 2012.

    eaglereader Posts: 18

    Killed or injured? Even so that stat doesnt surprise me. School shootings are rare (much more rare than we tend to believe) and few homicides on the scale of Newtown ever occur.

    However that is comparing apples and oranges. Firearms still kill children in homes, daycares, etc. Accidents are the first cause of death among children, then disease and then homicide. Once they turn ten suicide becomes third then homicide.

    Any child dead by any means is a tragedy. If I can prevent that by tethering the bookcase to the wall or setting the TV in a safer spot - then so be it. The same with guns - just because more are injured in other ways doesnt mean nothing should be done to regulate gun ownership. The analogy between the two diminishes the seriousness of the issue.

    What if you had a relative die of a drug overdose from ecstasy and I said "well more die from electric blankets than that". Does that diminish the problem of drugs or make you feel any better?

     
  • elf posted at 6:12 pm on Wed, Dec 19, 2012.

    elf Posts: 1567

    Republicans in our legislature are almost as out of tough with reality as the shooter at Connecticut. I guess this is because they don't believe in critical thinking (it's forbidden in their platform) and cannot figure out why these killings are taking place. Ping-pong killers and flat screen TV's are not something we need to be considering.

     
  • TXBlessed posted at 3:02 pm on Wed, Dec 19, 2012.

    TXBlessed Posts: 2

    Ping-pong don't kill, people who play ping-pong kill.

    Seriously?[wink][wink]

     
  • eaglereader posted at 2:55 pm on Wed, Dec 19, 2012.

    eaglereader Posts: 18

    agreed - if that is all they can cite then I am not convinced. How about the 100 kids each year that are killed in gun accidents. Or the homicides that aren't stopped... or the ones in which good meaning gun owners catch others in the cross fire... I am not impressed with talking points with no context.

     
  • eaglereader posted at 2:53 pm on Wed, Dec 19, 2012.

    eaglereader Posts: 18

    ""I've heard of people being killed playing ping-pong -- ping-pongs are more dangerous than guns," he said. "Flat-screen TVs are injuring more kids today than anything."

    Really!?! Cannot a public official look to real data before speaking about this issue. In 2007, some of the latest data available for analysis at the CDC website only 104 children under the age of 19 were killed by begin struck by an object (ping pong ball, tv etc.). By comparison, 138 were killed in a firearms accident and nearly 2,900 were murdered with a firearm. Homicide ranks as the third to fourth most common killer of children of all ages. Suicide ranks high as well among those older than 10.

    I did not vote for Kacal but I do know him casually. I like him. But I expect a whole lot more from a representative than shoot from the hip nonsense like this. No comment is better than a stupid one any day. You cant lead if you are not informed.

    Gun violence IS an issue in the US. You can disagree with what the policy approach should be - but please dont insult us by equating it with ping-pong deaths! I am sure those in Newtown would like to know that their kids deaths are as meaningless as a table game accident.

     
  • areallocal posted at 1:48 pm on Wed, Dec 19, 2012.

    areallocal Posts: 19

    I agree with your first sentence in that mourning results in discussions about how and why the event happened. It is being discussed....like you and others that want to weigh in and blame the tool, not the REASON.

    Many, not a majority, blame the rifle or semi-auto pistols in this event. These were tools that his misguided mother exposed to a mentally ill son and for some unknown reason to get back at his mother and the school where she worked.

    In most, if not all, mass shootings including the one here that killed a constable, were by mentally ill persons that gained access to tools to harm others. What is obvious to most (I hope) is that the problem is the lack of quality treatment to the mentally ill and/or the perceived stigma for obtaining help. If these weapons are not available, then they can get in their car and crash into a classroom, get some easily, common day ingredients and make a bomb, or a multitude of other tools that can be converted into weapons by the way they are used. Banning these will not address the "why" or but will only change the "how."

     
  • because posted at 11:14 am on Wed, Dec 19, 2012.

    because Posts: 304

    This is a very small number of cases in which hand guns supposedly saved lives.
    Compere that with the number of accidental gun deaths, suicides committed by hand guns, and homocides committed by guns...

     
  • because posted at 11:07 am on Wed, Dec 19, 2012.

    because Posts: 304

    There is often not much time of mourning between one shooting and the next....
    so no matter when we discuss this issue it will be close to somebody being shot by a fire arm.

    Please note: In every hour somebody gets shot in the United States

     
  • RichInBCS posted at 9:08 am on Wed, Dec 19, 2012.

    RichInBCS Posts: 35

    Personal attacks: the last resort of the small minded.

     
  • hotdog posted at 8:56 am on Wed, Dec 19, 2012.

    hotdog Posts: 617

    Our reps have shown their arse and now the bloggers are showing their insensitvity during a time we should all be praying and mourning with the folks in Newtown and the rest of our nation. Time for debating guns and legislation will come but just not now.

     
  • hotdog posted at 8:54 am on Wed, Dec 19, 2012.

    hotdog Posts: 617

    Oops this was meant for poster Citizen 1.

     
  • TexAg70 posted at 8:53 am on Wed, Dec 19, 2012.

    TexAg70 Posts: 1

    ...Did you know.....• A 1997 high school shooting in Pearl, Miss., was halted by the school's vice principal after he retrieved the Colt .45 he kept in his truck.
    • A 1998 middle school shooting ended when a man living next door heard gunfire and apprehended the shooter with his shotgun.
    • A 2002 terrorist attack at an Israeli school was quickly stopped by an armed teacher and a school guard.
    • A 2002 law school shooting in Grundy, Va., came to an abrupt conclusion when students carrying firearms confronted the shooter.
    • A 2007 mall shooting in Ogden, Utah, ended when an armed off-duty police officer intervened.
    • A 2009 workplace shooting in Houston, Texas, was halted by two coworkers who carried concealed handguns.
    • A 2012 church shooting in Aurora, Colo., was stopped by a member of the congregation carrying a gun.
    • At the recent mall shooting in Portland, Ore., the gunman took his own life minutes after being confronted by a shopper carrying a concealed weapon. 2500 times last year alone legal gun owners stopped violent crime when confronted with it long before any police assistance ...

     
  • hotdog posted at 8:52 am on Wed, Dec 19, 2012.

    hotdog Posts: 617

    Catch one of those outbound modes of transportation and head yourself you to your dream. We wish you would leave also.

     
  • Bill II posted at 7:30 am on Wed, Dec 19, 2012.

    Bill II Posts: 55

    You may leave Texas Now if you're not Happy here. There are Planes, Trains, Ships & Automobiles heading out of state all day long. Get on one and that will be one less person in our already crowded state. By your Picture Citizen1 you don't serious fit the Texas Image of being a PROUD TEXAN!!!!

    Please Leave Our State If Your Not Proud To Be Here!!!

     
  • Bill II posted at 7:23 am on Wed, Dec 19, 2012.

    Bill II Posts: 55

    How many people died from ping pong deaths last year?

    Answer:
    7 and a half. One person was severely injured and barely survived after multiple visits to the hospital.

    sources: NBC and ABC news channel
    http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_people_died_from_ping_pong_deaths_last_year

     
  • Bill II posted at 7:20 am on Wed, Dec 19, 2012.

    Bill II Posts: 55

    23,400 kids are injured every year due to Flat Screen TV's. Maybe we should outlaw TV's when we outlaw guns.
    More kids were killed last year by TV's at home then kids killed by guns in schools last year.

    http://video.today.msnbc.msn.com/today/50185372/#50185372

     
  • citizen1 posted at 5:53 am on Wed, Dec 19, 2012.

    citizen1 Posts: 253

    I frequently travel and people often ask me where I am from... I tell them that I live in Texas at the present, but I'm not from Texas. Then I tell them I wish I could live somewhere else. And when they ask why, I read them quotes from our elected representatives…

     
  • RichInBCS posted at 5:25 am on Wed, Dec 19, 2012.

    RichInBCS Posts: 35

    Wonderful. With single sentence, "ping-pongs are more dangerous than guns," Kyle Kacal may put our community on the map as the home of the biggest nutcases in America. How horribly inappropriate at this time when the whole nation is grieving. I hope he's preparing for his interviews on national television

     
  • FromAfar posted at 1:32 am on Wed, Dec 19, 2012.

    FromAfar Posts: 442

    Did Kacal really say, "ping-pongs are more dangerous than guns"?

    Go to

    https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/immediately-address-issue-gun-control-through
    -introduction-legislation-congress/2tgcXzQC

    to sign a petition to limit the gun insanity we have.

     

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