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Posted: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 12:00 am | Updated: 10:39 am, Fri Nov 22, 2013.

Texas A&M University System Chancellor John Sharp and Gov. Rick Perry have a vision for peace in the Middle East and their alma mater is the catalyst.

The Aggies will join with Israeli President Shimon Peres and Israeli Minister of Education Shai Piron on Wednesday in Jerusalem to officially announce Texas A&M's branch campus in Israel, The Eagle has learned.

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34 comments:

  • Tailgater posted at 3:12 pm on Wed, Oct 30, 2013.

    Tailgater Posts: 4

    Obasfirst, it sounds like you brought up some good points. This definately raises more questions than are answered.

     
  • Sabio posted at 7:41 am on Sun, Oct 27, 2013.

    Sabio Posts: 1413

    Poor obasfirst, just can't get facts straight. I've used the phrase "taxpayer dime" FAR more than I have "state funds". In fact, I'll bet I haven't used that phrase more than a couple of times. I have used "taxpayers of Texas", but more often than not it's been "taxpayer dime".

    Irrespective of obasfirst's hair splitting, whether the funding comes from research grants or from the state budget, it is STILL the "taxpayer's dime" on which obasfirst and his cohorts on here are playing rather than working.

    Feel free to ask any taxpayer anywhere if they believe it to be appropriate to be reading newspapers and commenting on forums such as this between 8 and 5 and not a single one would find it appropriate (well, except those disgruntled faculty members who do it).

     
  • obasfirst posted at 8:16 pm on Thu, Oct 24, 2013.

    obasfirst Posts: 620

    @jer2

    the point he was making is that faculty is reading the eagle when they should be in class, or make students they are mentoring (correct word would be advising btw) wait because they are reading the eagle. That's just ludicrous.

    Regarding, grants, he has stated multiple times STATE funds.

    abusing the system? How? Same dumb argument about tax payer dime from 8am to 5pm? Doing research is not an 8 to 5 job (quite the opposite)

     
  • obasfirst posted at 8:10 pm on Thu, Oct 24, 2013.

    obasfirst Posts: 620

    it's not my NYT!
    What was incorrect in this NYT article?

    bad history of scandals is kind of pushing it. What other scandals can you name besides Jayson Blair? That scandal mostly involved plagiarism, and embellishing human interest stories to make it more dramatic, hardly hard news.

     
  • jer2 posted at 11:20 am on Thu, Oct 24, 2013.

    jer2 Posts: 314

    I don't trust your NYT, it has a bad history of scandal so why should I put any stock in what they have to say?

     
  • jer2 posted at 11:19 am on Thu, Oct 24, 2013.

    jer2 Posts: 314

    They have to defend their liberally biased and often scandalous rag.

     
  • Navigator posted at 1:05 pm on Wed, Oct 23, 2013.

    Navigator Posts: 1

    Nevertheless, I'll answer your rhetorical question. This "initiative" has nothing to do with learning, "peace in the Middle East" or expect for success. It is pure political move. It will fail because of lack of funding but nobody cares about it. It will give Perry a chance to say that he has an international experience when he will run for nomination in 2016. It is unclear to me what Sharp will derive from this except might be a chance (very slim and remote) if (big IF) Perry get the nimination and get elected to get some kind of secretary position in federal government.

     
  • citizen1 posted at 7:06 am on Wed, Oct 23, 2013.

    citizen1 Posts: 248

    nothing of course

     
  • obasfirst posted at 10:17 pm on Tue, Oct 22, 2013.

    obasfirst Posts: 620

    according to the haaretz article. A&M will take over the Nazareth academic institute and the agreement will be signed today (Wednesday)
    8 days ago Watson told the faculty senate "there's still a lot of work to do to create a branch campus in Israel" and "negotiations were in early stages.", 8 days later they are signing the agreement. Something is not right here.
    The article also mentions that A&M promises to raise $70 million for the Nazareth campus and additional millions for an endowment to finance its operations.
    Interestingly, faculty was left completely in the dark about these plans but classes will be taught in English by lecturers from Texas A&M. The article also mentions the many political and funding problems the institute has experienced.
    There is an another interesting article in the chronicle about the school (at some point it became a licensed branch campus of the University of Indianapolis).
    http://chronicle.com/article/Israels-First-Arabic-Language/65947/

     
  • obasfirst posted at 10:14 pm on Tue, Oct 22, 2013.

    obasfirst Posts: 620

    according to the haaretz article. A&M will take over the Nazareth academic institute and the agreement will be signed today (Wednesday)

    8 days ago Watson told the faculty senate "there's still a lot of work to do to create a branch campus in Israel" and "negotiations were in early stages.", 8 days later they are signing the agreement. Something is not right here.

    The article also mentions that A&M promises to raise $70 million for the Nazareth campus and additional millions for an endowment to finance its operations.

    Interestingly, faculty was left completely in the dark about these plans but classes will be taught in English by lecturers from Texas A&M. The article also mentions the many political and funding problems the institute has experienced.

    There is an another interesting article in the chronicle about the school (at some point it became a licensed branch campus of the University of Indianapolis).

    http://chronicle.com/article/Israels-First-Arabic-Language/65947/

     
  • Slag posted at 9:37 pm on Tue, Oct 22, 2013.

    Slag Posts: 32

    Who's paying for this foolishness? The citizens of Texas? Rick Perry hasn't fleeced this state enough with his "economic miracle" and his mansion? He has to try to burnish his international experience cred on the backs of the taxpayers of Texas?

    What a joke. This thing is doomed.

     
  • obasfirst posted at 9:36 pm on Tue, Oct 22, 2013.

    obasfirst Posts: 620

    so what is incorrect in the mentioned NYT article?

     
  • obasfirst posted at 9:33 pm on Tue, Oct 22, 2013.

    obasfirst Posts: 620

    are you claiming the "disgruntled" faculty skip classes and ignore their own students (who they pay from grants they were awarded) so they can read/comment the eagle?

     
  • citizen1 posted at 5:59 pm on Tue, Oct 22, 2013.

    citizen1 Posts: 248

    Ok here is an article from Haaretz

    http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/.premium-1.553881

     
  • Sabio posted at 1:28 pm on Tue, Oct 22, 2013.

    Sabio Posts: 1413

    Wow, just flat out lie about what I wrote. I never, not once, used ANY BOR standard as a definition of "productive faculty". The definition I HAVE used applies here includes posting on this website on the taxpayer dime. The following faculty are using time they SHOULD be teaching, researching, or mentoring students to read and comment on this SINGLE article:

    obasfirst
    FromAfar
    because
    elf
    Aggieprof

    There may be others, but these are the known faculty. They have ALL posted on this ONE article when they SHOULD have been doing their job. Since they're not doing research, teaching class, mentoring students but rather reading and commenting on this article, they are unproductive.

     
  • Sabio posted at 1:22 pm on Tue, Oct 22, 2013.

    Sabio Posts: 1413

    Looks like there are only a few of us that don't blindly believe everything the NYT writes. Kind of funny how those who claim a superior intellectual curiosity are so closed minded when it comes to the NYT.

     
  • elf posted at 11:55 am on Tue, Oct 22, 2013.

    elf Posts: 1558

    What an insanely stupid thing for the governor and a university to do. Aggie students beware. These are dollars you will pay in tuition that are being squandered.

     
  • obasfirst posted at 10:50 am on Tue, Oct 22, 2013.

    obasfirst Posts: 620

    correction: 6 with 3 degrees, 4 with 3 ceo's

     
  • Aggieprof posted at 10:43 am on Tue, Oct 22, 2013.

    Aggieprof Posts: 137

    Looks to me that Perry wants to add something on his vita which looks like "experience in international affairs" for his next presidential bid.

    Pretty transparent move if you ask me....

     
  • FromAfar posted at 10:37 am on Tue, Oct 22, 2013.

    FromAfar Posts: 428

    Has there been ANY involvement of TAMU faculty or even of TAMU administrators in this? There are many faculty here, myself included, who have working relationships with Israeli academics and have spent a lot of time in Israel. I fear that the top down approach we are seeing will, as usual, fail.

    Does anyone remember our attempt to have TAMU-Japan? Qatar has worked out better in that we make some money from it, but is TAMU-Qatar going up as an academic institution?

    Why didn't Perry and Sharp let TAMU faculty know that they would be supportive of a TAMU-Israel initiative and let the academics come up with proposals? (Yes, that is a rhetorical question.)

     
  • obasfirst posted at 10:30 am on Tue, Oct 22, 2013.

    obasfirst Posts: 620

    From the whole article it's obvious they use A&M for a personal religious mission.

    Where is the money coming from? If donors and private fund money does not cover the expenses, what will happen then? Will they close, or will the system subsidize them? When Sharp keeps telling the savings from outsourcing (if any) will go to support the core mission of teaching and research, maybe he meant the new branch campus.

    Now the "disgruntled" faculty is also against evil "big business". Keep stacking em up.

    If anti a&m means caring about its reputation, be my guest keep using that term.

    Awesome productive faculty? You mean faculty that were not productive according to the BOR (as stated in on of your other comments)?

    You forgot to mention that besides A&M there are 6 other schools with the same number of CEOs. Are you claiming San Diego State, University of Kansas, and University of Cincinatti are also world class?

     
  • jer2 posted at 10:19 am on Tue, Oct 22, 2013.

    jer2 Posts: 314

    citizen1, I don't trust anything the liberally biased scandal ridden NY Times has to say.

     
  • jer2 posted at 10:18 am on Tue, Oct 22, 2013.

    jer2 Posts: 314

    Rj, I think you would retract that statement if you knew of some of the NY times scandals.......http://www.amazon.com/Hard-News-Scandals-Future-American-ebook/dp/B000FC2MCM

     
  • Eagle subscriber posted at 9:42 am on Tue, Oct 22, 2013.

    Eagle subscriber Posts: 29

    What a muddle-headed grandiose scheme. According to The Eagle, no one could give an answer to the obvious first and most important question - How will this venture be financed?

    "It is unclear how the branch campus will be funded." Do you think? It is The Eagle's job to demand some clarity.

     
  • because posted at 9:27 am on Tue, Oct 22, 2013.

    because Posts: 296

    I broke out laughing this morning when I read the first sentence of the article:

    "Texas A&M University System Chancellor John Sharp and Gov. Rick Perry have a vision for peace in the Middle East"

    unbelievable......

     
  • rj posted at 9:10 am on Tue, Oct 22, 2013.

    rj Posts: 143

    They have a better track record than you do.

     
  • TexasEagle posted at 9:00 am on Tue, Oct 22, 2013.

    TexasEagle Posts: 139

    We say no state funds will pay for the new campus...yet, every time a TAMU administrator spends time on this issue it is state funds being used to pay their time, like Sharp's trip...or the staff time taken up in the planning. How will the citizens of Texas benefit from this arrangement? What are the true costs to the university...is this where are the purported cost savings from other programs will be going? Read the articles noted below...there is more to this story. The Eagle did an amateur job of reporting on the issue...missed the real background story.

     
  • CharterAg posted at 8:05 am on Tue, Oct 22, 2013.

    CharterAg Posts: 1

    From Article: "It's unclear if the faculty would be imported from College Station, which largely is the case with Qatar."

    Nothing could be further from the truth after year 10 in Qatar.

    At start up, and the first few years there was a good balance of College Station faculty, staff and administrators at the campus in Qatar, with a goal of at least 50%. Now it is very hard to recruit good employees from the main campus for a variety of reasons. Unfortunately, many of the good faculty and staff from CS have left their post in Qatar recently. The current faculty, staff and administration is not largely made up of CS people. Any amount of research done by the eagle staff would show this. Most of the faculty and staff are not from the main campus, but they come mostly from Arab countries who want to move close to home.

    I think expanding the Aggie brand into other countries is a great idea, but recruitment and retention in Israel will be even more difficult than it is in Qatar for a variety of reasons.

     
  • Tenaja posted at 7:49 am on Tue, Oct 22, 2013.

    Tenaja Posts: 25

    Did YOU read the article. No clue as to what degrees would be offered or who would teach there. But most important, why? We need to get our own house in order before we pair up with an Elmer Gantry televangelist.

     
  • Sabio posted at 7:32 am on Tue, Oct 22, 2013.

    Sabio Posts: 1413

    Goodness, did you even READ the article? It says Sharp is the driver here, and that he leveraged Hagees contacts in Israel to open the door.

    Despite these "chicken little" proclamations by the anti-A&M disgruntled faculty (not to be confused with the awesome productive faculty), A&M continues to demonstrate it's world class status. I note with interest that The Eagle seemed to pass on the story that A&M is the number 1 public university in the USA producing global CEO's according to London's Times Higher Education.

    http://tamutimes.tamu.edu/2013/10/18/texas-am-ranks-first-among-public-u-s-universities-in-new-global-ceo-alma-mater-index/

    But the disgruntled faculty are probably mortified that A&M produces CEO's for evil "big business".

     
  • Sabio posted at 7:25 am on Tue, Oct 22, 2013.

    Sabio Posts: 1413

    If the New York Times says it, it must be true. They NEVER get anything wrong.

     
  • citizen1 posted at 7:04 am on Tue, Oct 22, 2013.

    citizen1 Posts: 248

    The plot thickens… New York Times did an article yesterday on this topic and noted that one of the behind-the-scene players is John Hagee, the wacka-doodle, end-times evangelical pastor from San Antonio. Hagee is a regular guest on Glenn Beck’s show and a yell-leader for Israel.

    Here is the NYT article:
    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/22/education/texas-am-pursues-a-campus-in-israel.html?src=recg

    If you don’t know Hagee, here is a good place to start:
    http://www.rightwingwatch.org/category/people/john-hagee

     
  • Tenaja posted at 4:13 am on Tue, Oct 22, 2013.

    Tenaja Posts: 25

    This sounds about as organized and well-thought-out as everything else on this campus lately.

     
  • Naftali007 posted at 2:22 am on Tue, Oct 22, 2013.

    Naftali007 Posts: 1

    I am ecstatic to read that Aggieland will be coming to Israel. We welcome Gov Perry and Texas A&M University to build a campus here in the north. Very glad that you'll be coming!

     

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